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พรุ่งนี้ถ้าเจอนะ เดียวจะรู้ว่าไอ้คุยว่าเก่งภาษานะ ถ้าเจอต้นตำหรับอย่างฉันเนี้ยมันจะเป็นอย่างไร. และจะได้รู้ด้วยว่ามันเข้าใจครูสอนหรือเปล่า ตอนเรียนที่เมืองนอกนะ
ก่อนอื่น กลับไปเรียนภาษาไทยก่อนก็ได้นะครับ ^^ เพราะเท่าที่เห็นภาษาไทย ยังอ่านไม่แตกเลยสักกะนิด
ถ้าเขาอยู่เมืองนอกมา 20 ปี อาจจะอยู่ตั้งแต่เด็ก ภาษาไทยได้แค่นี้ก็เก่งแล้ว ไม่เห็นจะแปลก
หรือคุณจะบอกว่าเขาไปอยู่เมืองนอกมา 20 ปี ภาษาไทยควรจะดีกว่านี้??
ผมไม่ค่อยเข้าใจการใช้ตรรกะของคุณเลย
Hi Mr. Loser,
Is the above English skill good? Haven't you read it before you discussed about it with others?
I've read that you studied abroad too. Hence, you should be able to criticize the mentioned example.
Hi, I hope you are not "Khamdee" I know.
Tell you the truth, his English is as bad as mine. English is my second language, not the first one.
I've seen many Khmer, Lao, Viet refugees who have broken English just like his. They use street language with bad grammar, unlike many Thai students whose written English is perfect (but can't speak.)
His bad English usage doesn't prove that he is not living in America.
His broken Thai, however, does prove that he is not a native Thai, or at least he has not been living in Thailand for a while so his Thai is not as good as it should be.
We are discussing whether his claim to be living in the US is true; many of members here suspect that he is just a Thai living in Thailand. But I do not agree with them.
From his broken Thai, I can't guarantee that he is a Thai, but his English is good enough to be an American. Some of Khmer refugees who have been living in America for more than 10 years have even worse English than his.
"If" he is not a Thai and if you let me quess, I would guess that he is a Laotian American. That's why he can understand and write some Thai.
But he surely is not a Thai living in Thailand.
The questions Baezae used to verify his Americaness are proved to be from a pure idiot. Many Americans don't even know what the capital city of West Virginia is, let alone knowing what HYPSM is.
Don't you agree?
No, I'm not that guy. I also disagree with you.
Among all types of communication skills, namely speaking, listening, reading, and writing, reading is the easiest to pick up whereas technical writing skill is the most difficult to master. Flow of content is very crucial here.
English of the poster in question is rather poor but it doesn't prove anything about where he/she lives.
Based on his/her stories, I can believe that he/she lives in the US but not by his/her English.
I can make some educated guesses why his/her English is rather poor.
For example, this person could enter the US illegally and had been illegally working there as a blue-collar worker for a while.
This person could also be kicked out of the US later on and may be living in Thailand now.
However, his/her Thai is much better than his/her English as clearly shown in many posts.
Keep in mind that his/her Thai is quite far from good as well.
Again, I can make some educated guesses as to why it's also not good.
For instance, this person is not well educated.
Basically, no possibilities can be ruled out.
No more, this is my thought:
1) You can't use English skill to judge people. Many of my friends who went to Engineering schools in the US only have fair English skill. They are much better than me in math, physics, and in other engineering disciplines, but their English is even worse than mine. Trying to judge his background by observing his English doesn't make any sense if he is not a native English speaker. Agree?
2) Also you can't judge him by asking silly questions like what HYPSM is, because not everybody in the US knows the answer to those questions. It's just plain stupid. Agree?
3) But from the style of his Thai writing, you can safely assume that 3.1) he is not a native Thai; or 3.2) he has been living abroad for more than half his life. Both assumptions make sense. Agree?
Therefore, what this Baezae is trying to prove that he (Kon Dee) never lived in the US by asking such questions is a stupid move because it is contrary to 3). Agree?
4) You said that his Thai is much better than his English but I don't agree with you here. We have seen only a few English sentences he wrote. We can't say that his Thai is better than his English. Besides, if he is not a Thai, he could fake his English to cover up his true nationality (I've seen many Lao/Khmer/Viet trolls do that to fake as a Thai)
From 3), "if" he is not a Thai living in the US for 20 years like what he claimed, my "non-educational guess" is that he is a Lao American who used to live and had Thai education in the camp along the border or even in a Thai school for some years. He probably worked in Thailand in his early age too before leaving for the US so he knows quite a bit about Thailand.
In any case, you can discuss with him on the subjects related to Thailand and America, because he has knowledge on both countries. Whether his statement about Thailand and America is a true or false one, doesn't have anything to do with his race/nationality. Agree?
Anyway, my point is, Baezae's attempt to prove that he is not from America is stupid. Agree?
You seem to miss my points. Please go over my posts again.
You seem to like a very long reply with a very vague idea.
Responses:
1. No, I don't. For someone who claimed to spend a very very long time in the US, English which is the de facto national language there could and should be used as an evaluation factor for his/her background. You seem to miss points of other people here.
2. No, I don't. The poster in question tried to show off his knowledge about the US first. In fact, it's only about a small region in a huge country. That's why other questions were then raised. Notice the time line that you missed again. People tend to ask questions about stuff that they are familiar with. baezae's and that person's questions are a reflection of this statement. baezae's questions may be not as broad but someone who claimed to have higher education and lived in the US should be able to name one, just one, Ivy league school in the second (or third) question.
3. No, I don't mostly.
3.1) You are wrong again. You have nothing to validate this claim at all. I'm starting to question your analytical skill. His style just only pointed out that he/she is not a good writer. That's it! Even a native Thai can be a poor writer too. I'm surprised that you haven't met Thai people who possess poor writing skill.
3.2) Poor writing style should result from seldom use, i.e., he/she rarely writes provided that proper education is obtained at the earlier stage of his/her life. This depends on where he/she works, not lives. I can give you some for this environmental factor.
You should be able to draw conclusion from my rebuttals. Agreed?
4) (I put "4)" up there in your post for easy reference.)
What are you smokin? <== without "g"
From his/her posts, his Thai is obviously better than his English. Period. You can just analyze by the facts you know before you. Your take on the cover up is a possibility but unlikely.
Again, no possibilities can be ruled out.
To your last "Agree" question, I'd say a big "No". To weed out trolls and liars in this kind of forum is a right thing to do.
Agreed? Your answer here would show your true intention as a member of this board.
PS. I may not have that much time to answer posts without true main idea again.